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nerd  
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 More options Nov 19 2009, 1:59 am
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From: nerd <thehatefuln...@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 22:59:52 -0800 (PST)
Local: Thurs, Nov 19 2009 1:59 am
Subject: BROHM TO BILLS
Damn you bitches are slow.  Now make yourselves pretty for me.

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 More options Nov 19 2009, 2:21 am
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From: Tedmc <analog4...@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 23:21:23 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: BROHM TO BILLS
On Nov 18, 10:59 pm, nerd <thehatefuln...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Damn you bitches are slow.  Now make yourselves pretty for me.

Considering he isn't even half as good as Flynn,and he is on his way
to a sucky team..I say Good Luck Brian.
Kinda surprised it wasn't Cleveland or Oakland
Really a "spurning" of major proportions.

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 More options Nov 19 2009, 7:43 am
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From: iarwain <iarwai...@hotmail.com>
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 04:43:06 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: BROHM TO BILLS
Another botched TT pick.
And that's all I'm going to say about that.

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 More options Nov 19 2009, 10:17 am
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From: MikeC <mcastleb...@hotmail.com>
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 07:17:17 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: BROHM TO BILLS
On Nov 19, 7:43 am, iarwain <iarwai...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Another botched TT pick.
> And that's all I'm going to say about that.

Probably half of most GM's draft picks could be described as
"botched".  I figure Ted Thompson's record is average to above average.

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 More options Nov 19 2009, 10:53 am
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From: iarwain <iarwai...@hotmail.com>
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 07:53:28 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: BROHM TO BILLS

> Probably half of most GM's draft picks could be described as "botched".  I figure Ted Thompson's record is average to above average.

Nevertheless, botched pick.
And if your philosophy is to rely mainly on drafting, you had better
be well above average at it if you're going to build a Super Bowl
caliber team.

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 More options Nov 19 2009, 10:54 am
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From: MikeC <mcastleb...@hotmail.com>
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 07:54:36 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: BROHM TO BILLS
On Nov 19, 10:53 am, iarwain <iarwai...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> > Probably half of most GM's draft picks could be described as "botched".  I figure Ted Thompson's record is average to above average.

> Nevertheless, botched pick.
> And if your philosophy is to rely mainly on drafting, you had better
> be well above average at it if you're going to build a Super Bowl
> caliber team.

True enough, missing on 1sts and 2nds (Harrell, Brohm) doesn't help
any.

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 More options Nov 19 2009, 3:13 pm
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From: "panjandrum" <some...@ilwp4c.com>
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 14:13:54 -0600
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Subject: Re: BROHM TO BILLS
"iarwain" <iarwai...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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> Probably half of most GM's draft picks could be described
> as "botched". I figure Ted Thompson's record is average to
> above average.

Nevertheless, botched pick.
And if your philosophy is to rely mainly on drafting, you
had better
be well above average at it if you're going to build a Super
Bowl
caliber team.

Drafting QBs is far from a science.  Think McNown, Leaf, ad
nauseam.  Now th8ink Aaron Rodgers.
I also believe TT knew Harrell was a gamble.  Who knows?
MAYBE he'll get on the field one day, though the chances are
by now vanishing small.


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 More options Nov 19 2009, 5:45 pm
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From: nerd <thehatefuln...@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 14:45:10 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: BROHM TO BILLS
TT's record in the first round is far and above that of Wolf's.

On Nov 19, 9:54 am, MikeC <mcastleb...@hotmail.com> wrote:


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 More options Nov 19 2009, 6:34 pm
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From: mtfes...@netMAPSONscape.net
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 23:34:36 +0000 (UTC)
Local: Thurs, Nov 19 2009 6:34 pm
Subject: Re: BROHM TO BILLS

MikeC <mcastleb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 19, 10:53?am, iarwain <iarwai...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > Probably half of most GM's draft picks could be described as "botched". ?I figure Ted Thompson's record is average to above average.

> > Nevertheless, botched pick.
> > And if your philosophy is to rely mainly on drafting, you had better
> > be well above average at it if you're going to build a Super Bowl
> > caliber team.
> True enough, missing on 1sts and 2nds (Harrell, Brohm) doesn't help
> any.

Mayes? Michels?

Wolf had a history of missing on 1s and 2s.

Mike


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 More options Nov 19 2009, 8:38 pm
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From: MikeC <mcastleb...@hotmail.com>
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:38:22 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: BROHM TO BILLS
On Nov 19, 6:34 pm, mtfes...@netMAPSONscape.net wrote:

Yeah thats kind of my point.  There's 32 first round picks every year
and how many guys can you name off the top of your head who become
superstars or perennial pro bowlers every year from these draft
classes?  Not too many.  The draft is to some degree a crap shoot
which is why I agree with Thompson's strategy of getting as many picks
as possible.  Sure you can trade your whole draft for a couple of 1sts
and a 2nd but holy cow are you screwed if you miss on those picks.
Much better to buy as many raffle tickets as you can - so to speak.

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 More options Nov 20 2009, 4:36 am
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From: iarwain <iarwai...@hotmail.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 01:36:12 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: BROHM TO BILLS

> Wolf had a history of missing on 1s and 2s.

Wolf didn't have a strategy of relying mainly of the draft like
Thompson does, although admittedly times are different now.

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 More options Nov 20 2009, 4:37 am
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From: iarwain <iarwai...@hotmail.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 01:37:41 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: BROHM TO BILLS

> The draft is to some degree a crap shoot which is why I agree with Thompson's strategy of getting as many picks as possible.

It seems to be a generally good idea, although I really liked
Thompson's move of trading up this last draft to get us Matthews.
There, I said something nice about Ted.

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 More options Nov 20 2009, 11:05 am
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From: mtfes...@netMAPSONscape.net
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:05:46 +0000 (UTC)
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Subject: Re: BROHM TO BILLS

iarwain <iarwai...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Wolf had a history of missing on 1s and 2s.
> Wolf didn't have a strategy of relying mainly of the draft like
> Thompson does,

Actually, yes, he did. He made some key acquisitions very early in his
tenure outside the draft, but after 95 were almost entirely draft-driven.

Mike


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 More options Nov 21 2009, 4:14 am
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From: iarwain <iarwai...@hotmail.com>
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 01:14:59 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: BROHM TO BILLS

> He made some key acquisitions very early in his tenure outside the draft, but after 95 were almost entirely draft-driven.

So he built the Super Bowl team using free agents (throw Andre Rison
in there too), then when he changed his strategy the team went
downhill.

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 More options Nov 21 2009, 10:33 am
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From: mtfes...@netMAPSONscape.net
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 15:33:28 +0000 (UTC)
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Subject: Re: BROHM TO BILLS

iarwain <iarwai...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > He made some key acquisitions very early in his tenure outside the draft, but after 95 were almost entirely draft-driven.
> So he built the Super Bowl team using free agents (throw Andre Rison
> in there too), then when he changed his strategy the team went
> downhill.

No, when his luck and the coach changed, the team didn't make it any
further than the divisional round.

Mike


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 More options Nov 21 2009, 11:16 am
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From: iarwain <iarwai...@hotmail.com>
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 08:16:43 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: BROHM TO BILLS

> No, when his luck and the coach changed, the team didn't make it any further than the divisional round.

Just coincidence that when he quit signing pro bowl quality players
the team's fortunes changed, eh?

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 More options Nov 21 2009, 12:21 pm
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From: mtfes...@netMAPSONscape.net
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 17:21:36 +0000 (UTC)
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Subject: Re: BROHM TO BILLS

iarwain <iarwai...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > No, when his luck and the coach changed, the team didn't make it any further than the divisional round.
> Just coincidence that when he quit signing pro bowl quality players
> the team's fortunes changed, eh?

He kept signing pro bowl quality UFAs; they didn't pan out.

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 More options Nov 21 2009, 1:30 pm
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From: iarwain <iarwai...@hotmail.com>
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 10:30:34 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: BROHM TO BILLS

> He kept signing pro bowl quality UFAs; they didn't pan out.

I thought you said he changed his strategy.

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 More options Nov 21 2009, 1:48 pm
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From: mtfes...@netMAPSONscape.net
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 18:48:23 +0000 (UTC)
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Subject: Re: BROHM TO BILLS

iarwain <iarwai...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > He kept signing pro bowl quality UFAs; they didn't pan out.
> I thought you said he changed his strategy.

No, I said "No, when his luck and the coach changed, the team didn't make it
any further than the divisional round." I also pointed out they were
draft-driven after about 1995; essentially, he started missing on the
FAs, so any new players were draftees, 'cause the Joyners and Nickersons
of the world weren't panning out for us.

Mike


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 More options Nov 25 2009, 3:30 pm
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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 14:30:45 -0600
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Subject: Re: BROHM TO BILLS

"panjandrum" <some...@ilwp4c.com> wrote in message

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> I also believe TT knew Harrell was a gamble.

A fact that does not easily permeate thick skulls...


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 More options Nov 26 2009, 8:08 am
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From: iarwain <iarwai...@hotmail.com>
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 05:08:31 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: BROHM TO BILLS

> I also believe TT knew Harrell was a gamble.

Doesn't change the fact that he's a bust.

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