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 More options Jun 13 2007, 10:23 am
Newsgroups: alt.politics.economics, misc.invest.stocks, alt.politics.usa.republican, alt.society.liberalism
From: me <oconn...@slr.orl.lmco.com>
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 07:23:21 -0700
Local: Wed, Jun 13 2007 10:23 am
Subject: Re: Make the Rich Richer, and They'll Invest----Badly!
On Jun 12, 10:50 am, Lisa Lisa <mando...@verizon.net> wrote:
> Proving that some of the biggest dopes have some of the fattest
> wallets:

> FOR TROUBLED FIRMS, A FLOOD OF BIG LOANS

> They Gain Time to Fix Woes---or Delay a Fix; Hedge Funds Play Role

> By Bernard Wysocki Jr.

> Bally Total Fitness Holding Corp., a Chicago health-club operator, is
> deep in debt and has periodically been considered a candidate for
> bankruptcy.

> That didn't prevent Bally from borrowing $284 million last October.  A
> unit of JP Morgan Chase & Co. arranged the loan, with investment banks
> and a hedge fund participating.

> "I'll never forget being in a board meeting and saying to our
> investment bankers:  "How on God's earth was this so easy?" says
> Steven Rogers, a finance professor at Northwestern University who was
> then a Bally director.  "They said:  'There's a lot of money out
> there.'"

> In a world awash in investable funds, even many of the most troubled
> companies are finding lenders willing to offer them big money.  

[snip]

    You have two things going on here, both of them influenced by
governments role in the economy.  1)  Folks are willing to risk
fairly large amounts with the chance to possibly make higher
returns.  The folks arranging these loans rarely hold them but
in fact sell them to people hoping to make more income.  This is
influenced in many ways by the fact that capital gains are taxed at
a lower rate than income.  So the loans get bought and sold,
and folks hoping they sell and make cash, because they'll
get taxed less on the capital gain, than on the interest paid.
So there is only so much interest in actually having the load
serviced.

   2)  Folks often are looking for investments that have some
loss risk aspect to them.  "Losses" can be sold, or bought,
to adjust ones tax position.  They are traded and as such
a very risky loan can become a potential loss to be used,
or sold, to counter the tax effects of other risky but
successful investments.

  Treat capital gains like any other income, and hinder the
ability of losses to be traded like assets, and much of this
phenomenon goes away.


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