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 More options Aug 13 2007, 4:36 pm
Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design
From: Joerg <notthisjoerg...@removethispacbell.net>
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:36:43 -0700
Local: Mon, Aug 13 2007 4:36 pm
Subject: Re: Why no delayed trigger on newer DSOs?

Tom Bruhns wrote:
> On Aug 13, 12:19 pm, Joerg <notthisjoerg...@removethispacbell.net>
> wrote:

>>Hello Folks,

>>Question: It seems that most portable DSOs in the 200MHz/1GSPS class
>>don't offer delayed trigger anymore which makes pulse-echo measurements
>>a real pain. Why don't they?

>>After all it's just a simple counter that is needed. Same for hold-off
>>which typically ain't there either :-(

>>Beats me but IIRC I used delayed trigger on a lower end TDS220 although
>>its data sheet said that it could not do it. However, that scope had
>>some other serious issues (noise) so I asked the client to obtain a used
>>2265. Old Faithful, of course, always has delayed trigger but sure
>>enough the plastic clutch for that function fell apart right away.
>>Designing a trigger delay into an analog scope is no small feat but for
>>a DSO it should be really easy.

>>--
>>Regards, Joerg

>>http://www.analogconsultants.com

> Is this a "when are you going to stop beating your mother" sort of
> question?  Check out the Agilent 5000 series of scopes, listed as
> "new" on the Agilent web site today.  Trigger delay range:  pre-
> trigger, the greater of 1 screen or 125usec; post-trigger 1 second
> range minimum, up to 500 seconds for slower timebase settings.

Ok, but now we are talking $5k class. I meant the lower end, around $2K
such as the TDS2024.

> On bottom-end scopes, especially ones with deep memory, trigger delay
> may well be dropped for a combination of reasons:  the desire to
> differentiate the product line, and the lower need given lots of
> memory--acquire once, inspect in detail wherever you want.  One of my
> DSOs doesn't have specific trigger delay, but does let you set up the
> display of any portion of the memory, as a "delayed trace".

Memory is a problem on some. The Tek mid-range offers 2.5K, Agilent
mid-range is 4K and mine (Instek) is 25K. This is only for single
channel use. So a pulse-echo measurement at 1nsec slivers becomes
impossible for anything above a few ten usec.

Leaving it out for differentiation reasons would be rather foolish
because it causes (and has caused in my past) potential users to be
hesitant and stick to their old analog scopes. Those offer delayed
trigger in rather basic models which can and are bought via EBay. There
has rarely been a client of mine where I didn't ask them to bid on a
2465, and none has ever regretted it. On the contrary, sometimes we
discovered that we needed more of these "real" scopes because everyone
suddenly wanted to have it.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com


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